The director said He who remains isolated the sacred timeline from the other universes. So it’s like an island. But now Loki frees the timeline and its branches to grow, but what about the “other universes”?
It was isolated right before destroying the rest. That's how 616 became the main trunk.
There are no "others" - it's just THE multiverse, as far as it was presented.
GreedyMouse31962026-01-06 08:19
The director said he isolated and kept it away from the rest of the multiverse,suggesting there’s more
Vumi_2026-01-06 14:47
But isn't the TVA overseeing everything, like literally everything in the entire multiverse?
SirWingYT2026-01-06 14:52
the tva only oversees the sacred timeline I believe, correct me if I'm wrong though
ernfio2026-01-06 15:25
It did under Kang. Now it works to prevent Kang’s.
It’s doesn’t explain whether the TVA or Loki have any control over multiverses as well as timelines or branches.
HotPotParrot2026-01-06 15:38
So did the multiverse shenanigans begin with Kang first mucking about with time? Seems like everything that happens revolves around the TVA
ernfio2026-01-06 15:58
Who knows when the shenanigans began and what they are. Kang states that his counterparts were able to travel between multiverses and this led to multiverse war. He created the TVA, the loom and captured Goliath to prevent this happening. He could be lying that it is all needed to prevent war. It could be to make him the one and only Kang. In doctor strange it is hinted or implied that any incursion causes problems. The implication was that Kang stopped multiverse wars and therefore had dominion over multiverses. That doesn’t mean Loki has but it could.
The bottom line is you can decide how it all works based on the facts but they don’t all fit together and for now some things are contradictory.
I’m okay with one singlar point of origin. That branches into universes which in turn creates further branches that are categorised differently. A bit like life coming from a cell that creates species and then variants of that species called animals.
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 07:37
Kinda yes. The multiversal war happened bcz of incursions.
Edboy7962026-01-06 14:53
As far as I understand, it'sall a bunch of timelines where infinite possibilities and choices are made.
Universe_Nut2026-01-06 14:54
In relation to pruning other verses that either are unstable branches of the sacred timeline, or alternate universes that create new Kangs.
It's weirdly vague, but I got an implication that there are universes or dimensions they're not concerned with as long as it doesn't affect their sacred timeline quarantine.
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 07:36
Now? Yes. Previously? No.
GarySoneji2026-01-06 16:56
The director isn’t the greatest authority of the story, and isolation doesn’t only suggest a quarantine.
eagc72026-01-06 20:48
I mean in-universe evidence that supports this is in Ant-Man 3, where Kang shows like a hologram/map of the multiverse its some time streams stacked on top of each other with their branches clashing into the other timestream branches
GarySoneji2026-01-06 23:18
The director previously referred to that imagery as trees. And Kang’s words don’t really line up with whatever we’re being shown. (Visual Continuity is an unfortunate casualty when multiple teams collaborate.)
MadmanIgar2026-01-06 17:15
Ah yes, but then there are the other multiverses.
eagc72026-01-06 20:47
Ant-Man 3 shows that's not the case as when Kang explains to Janet why he did what he did, he shows a hologram of two timestreams and their branches colliding
Storyteller-Hero2026-01-06 23:10
Kang's timeframe is different since he could be from before or after Loki season 2 due to the Quantum Realm having a bit of detachment from normal time, plus Kang only knows stuff from his perspective and not what has happened outside of Quantum Spacetime.
The order of release also doesn't matter because of the wonkiness of time travel on different time dimensions.
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 07:35
He's from after the Multiversal War. Council of kangs still exists. So no, he didn't destroy the multiverse. He simply isolated his home tree.
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 07:33
Wrong.
marvelcomics222026-01-06 10:46
Loki's tree is probably just 616 and it's branched universes (What If...?, YFNSM, AoS S5A, AoS S7, Endgame branches, etc.)
DeferredFuture2026-01-06 11:31
That would go against what Deadpool and Wolverine established
marvelcomics222026-01-06 11:45
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DeferredFuture2026-01-06 11:50
Then how did deadpool travel to 616 with a time travel device (not a multiversal travel device)?
And B-15 works at the TVA that is clearly apart of Loki’s tree, which Deadpool also travels to.
Unless you’re implying there’s a different TVA for every universe?
marvelcomics222026-01-06 11:53
There's one TVA who moniter the multiverse, not just the 616 universe. Also, 10005 was established as that, 616 and it's braches were all called 616. Mobius even said "616-adjacent realm" when talking about the Quantum Realm, they moniter the multiverse, not just 616, Loki's tree is 616.
DeferredFuture2026-01-06 12:03
If there’s an infinite multiverse I seriously struggle why a one, singular TVA would spent so much time focusing on “the sacred timeline” in 616.
It seems much more likely that the writers intended “branched timelines” to be other universes (aka, tobey and andrew’s universe, x-men, F4, etc) but got caught up in confusing sci-fi jargon, and never solved the issue to this day.
And also, there being multiple quantum realms is such a dumb idea. I understand that these are fictional movies and obviously not real, but what we know about the real quantum realm (aka quantum mechanics) may imply multiple dimensions, either 10 or 11 and the existence of a multiverse. It makes way more sense based on current scientific hypothesis for _one_ quantum realm to exist in the whole multiverse and that’s the source of the multiverse. Not a different one for every universe. They fumbled on that part as well
HackDaddy852026-01-06 14:07
The TVA only ever monitored one timeline before the events of Loki. We saw on their monitors there was only timeline up until it started branching. We also saw the loom only had one timeline that the TVA was built on. 10005 is a branch of that timeline, just like every other world we’ve seen.
marvelcomics222026-01-06 14:24
We only *saw* the TVA monitering the Sacred Timeline in Loki, but at some point, possibly after Loki, possibly the whole time, they moniter multiple universes. The TVA has a very elobarate naming system. Everything in Loki is labled as 616-\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, while they call Deadpool's universe Earth-10005. 616 branches are labeled as such.
HackDaddy852026-01-06 14:27
They aren’t though. We never saw anything labeled as “616-____”. The only thing labeled that was the Quantum Realm which isn’t another timeline but a realm connected to 616.
616 seems to be labelled as a branch not a universe.
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 07:31
Can you tell me exactly what it established?
iwannalynch2026-01-07 11:48
I'm guessing he means that the TVA was also watching over the X-Men universes, which don't seen to be derivatives of 616.
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 15:22
I know that, but how exactly does DP&W establish that there’s only a single tree, though?
KostisPat2572026-01-06 11:13
Loki's tree is just 616 and its branches, because that's all that was being weaved from the Loom, since HWR had isolated that universe.
skronk612026-01-06 12:27
My guess would be they’re gonna pull away from that part of the storey massively because they don’t think anyone cares. They’re courting the fans who left off at Endgame pretty much.
BenFranklinsCat2026-01-06 13:59
I don't think they'll feature the tree, but I do think Loki is taking the place of molecule man, meaning he'll be the 3rd act maguffin revealed as the source of Doom making Battleworld.
For casual viewers it'll just a be a big "oh my god the all powerful creator that Doom kidnapped is actually Loki" moment, while those who followed the Loki series will know he's the God of stories and so on.
AW0386192026-01-07 09:53
I was thinking Franklin would be our molecule man stand-in given Doom seemed to be taking him away in First Steps post credit scene.
BenFranklinsCat2026-01-07 11:21
That's also a very strong possibility, and probably equally as likely, I just think it would be a shame not to use this opportunity to end the Loki/Thor cycle with Thor seeing his brother ascend to be God of Stories.
I'll be really disappointed if Franklin has supreme reality-altering powers and it _isn't_ treated as a totally surreal trip, like the Legion TV show. Realistically they'd either need to nerf his powers (like how the reality stone couldn't _really_ change history or anything, it was just a really powerful deconstruct/reconstruct device) or they'd need to keep him effectively locked away for future stories.
If it was Franklin I could see them doing a big reset to _everything_ (like, literally every single character s gone an will be recast) at the end of Secret Wars, including removing the current F4 (and thus Franklin) and hinting that we'll get a new Avengers and F4 in the near future. Which would be SO fucking bold that I'm not sure I believe it could happen ...
CommunityDragon1842026-01-06 14:51
It would be unless other worlds or timelines were isolated somehow
N8CCRG2026-01-06 14:53
There are multiple theories that all could be valid. There's a very good argument that everything that we see in Loki is only one universe with its branches. For example, every time they have a branch numbered on a screen or whatever, it's numbered as 616.<something> (with some three or four digit numerical code after the decimal), which suggests that those branches aren't separate numerical universes like 838 or the paint universe.
If so, then his tree is probably just 616 and its branches.
dickshaker-102026-01-06 15:02
Deadpool and wolverine says otherwise
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 07:30
It doesn’t says anything.
KofiMania182026-01-06 16:04
The tree is the entire MCU multiverse
Andrew_Manangka2026-01-08 16:51
If that's the case, does this including Earth-79203 (TOEI Cinematic Universe which contains the likes of Kamen Rider, Metal Heroes, Super Sentai & Ultraman, apparently started starting with Himitsu Sentai Goranger & JAKQ Dengekitai only to be established when Supaidaman happened before Battle Fever J until Taiyo Sentai Sun Vulcan) to be part of Loki's Multiversal Yggdrasil tree?
DoomsdayThor2026-01-06 16:10
The tree is everything. Occam’s razor guys.
CocoaAngelx2026-01-06 16:15
Loki essentially turned a single pruned hedge into a wild forest that stretches across the entire map of existence. Those other universes were always there in the dark, but his sacrifice finally gave them the space to breathe and connect.
GarySoneji2026-01-06 16:52
If it isn’t, what are they pruning? Is Kang only from 616?
eagc72026-01-06 21:21
I'd assume other universes have their own Kangs too (not all of course)
GarySoneji2026-01-06 23:27
Are they the Kangs at the end of Quantumania, or at least friends?
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 07:28
Branches of 616.
GarySoneji2026-01-07 07:35
They’re pruning 616 while hiding on an island? Why are they pruning anything if the entirety of the multiverse is still at large?
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 08:03
>They’re pruning 616 while hiding on an island?
It was a metaphor. Stop misinterpreting their qoutes. Just bcz you don't(wanna) believe in it doesn't mean you can't understand it. You guys can but you guys refuse to & I'm so sick of seeing this . Her words were very clear: "they're like an island that’s completely hidden from everyone" meaning, the temporal loom had isolated the sacred timeline in way that no one from outside of it could see it. Meaning, no outsiders(council of kangs) could wage potential attacks or wars on the sacred timeline.
>Why are they pruning anything if the entirety of the multiverse is still at large?
Bcz simply isolating the timeline is not enough. The multiversal war happened bcz Quantumania's kang saw the future where the multiverse was dying bcz of incursions. He told them to stop playing with time & the multiverse but they didn't listen & that is why he waged war. Hwr eventually "won" it by banishing him to the 616 quantum realm. But he also cut ties with the council of kangs bcz he started fearing them. Then there was also a threat of incursions, so he simply started pruning the branches. So that his home tree wouldn't face the threat of incursions.
Grayx_28872026-01-06 17:06
Visible_Safe_89012026-01-07 07:28
No. At least not until doomsday.
Dawn116002026-01-07 18:30
Loki’s tree is the 616 tree in a canopy-shy forest. Until he “freed” its branches, these were artificially constrained by HWR. In doing so, the Sacred Timeline would not have branches that could cause incursions if these touch branches of other trees.
watze972026-01-08 12:44
Loki tree is the 616 universe with all it branches,there are other universes(with thrir own branches)completly seperated from loki tree
faithdies2026-01-09 00:19
So, if Loki is just supporting off branches of 616, what's stopping the non 616 branches from just dying due to the same issues Loki is preventing? Would each branch need their own Loki level entity to maintain each branch?
It feels like the simplest answer is that Loki is currently supporting them all.
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There are no "others" - it's just THE multiverse, as far as it was presented.
It’s doesn’t explain whether the TVA or Loki have any control over multiverses as well as timelines or branches.
The bottom line is you can decide how it all works based on the facts but they don’t all fit together and for now some things are contradictory.
I’m okay with one singlar point of origin. That branches into universes which in turn creates further branches that are categorised differently. A bit like life coming from a cell that creates species and then variants of that species called animals.
It's weirdly vague, but I got an implication that there are universes or dimensions they're not concerned with as long as it doesn't affect their sacred timeline quarantine.
The order of release also doesn't matter because of the wonkiness of time travel on different time dimensions.
And B-15 works at the TVA that is clearly apart of Loki’s tree, which Deadpool also travels to.
Unless you’re implying there’s a different TVA for every universe?
It seems much more likely that the writers intended “branched timelines” to be other universes (aka, tobey and andrew’s universe, x-men, F4, etc) but got caught up in confusing sci-fi jargon, and never solved the issue to this day.
And also, there being multiple quantum realms is such a dumb idea. I understand that these are fictional movies and obviously not real, but what we know about the real quantum realm (aka quantum mechanics) may imply multiple dimensions, either 10 or 11 and the existence of a multiverse. It makes way more sense based on current scientific hypothesis for _one_ quantum realm to exist in the whole multiverse and that’s the source of the multiverse. Not a different one for every universe. They fumbled on that part as well
For casual viewers it'll just a be a big "oh my god the all powerful creator that Doom kidnapped is actually Loki" moment, while those who followed the Loki series will know he's the God of stories and so on.
I'll be really disappointed if Franklin has supreme reality-altering powers and it _isn't_ treated as a totally surreal trip, like the Legion TV show. Realistically they'd either need to nerf his powers (like how the reality stone couldn't _really_ change history or anything, it was just a really powerful deconstruct/reconstruct device) or they'd need to keep him effectively locked away for future stories.
If it was Franklin I could see them doing a big reset to _everything_ (like, literally every single character s gone an will be recast) at the end of Secret Wars, including removing the current F4 (and thus Franklin) and hinting that we'll get a new Avengers and F4 in the near future. Which would be SO fucking bold that I'm not sure I believe it could happen ...
If so, then his tree is probably just 616 and its branches.
It was a metaphor. Stop misinterpreting their qoutes. Just bcz you don't(wanna) believe in it doesn't mean you can't understand it. You guys can but you guys refuse to & I'm so sick of seeing this . Her words were very clear: "they're like an island that’s completely hidden from everyone" meaning, the temporal loom had isolated the sacred timeline in way that no one from outside of it could see it. Meaning, no outsiders(council of kangs) could wage potential attacks or wars on the sacred timeline.
>Why are they pruning anything if the entirety of the multiverse is still at large?
Bcz simply isolating the timeline is not enough. The multiversal war happened bcz Quantumania's kang saw the future where the multiverse was dying bcz of incursions. He told them to stop playing with time & the multiverse but they didn't listen & that is why he waged war. Hwr eventually "won" it by banishing him to the 616 quantum realm. But he also cut ties with the council of kangs bcz he started fearing them. Then there was also a threat of incursions, so he simply started pruning the branches. So that his home tree wouldn't face the threat of incursions.
It feels like the simplest answer is that Loki is currently supporting them all.